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Why Scaling Wellness Takes a Tech Mindset with Joel Kocher

January 27, 2026

Joel Kocher is a transformational leader who drove Dell’s rise to Fortune 100 and co-founded Human, a leading cardiovascular wellness brand, earning national recognition for innovation, impact, and entrepreneurship excellence.

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Guest Resources

Joel Kocher LinkedIn – Connect with Joel on LinkedIn. He’s operating from purpose, not capital gain and his aim is impact.

Humann – Check out Joel’s website to learn more about Cardiovascular Health products.

3 Value Bombs

1. You are who you hire. Great companies are built through people, not products.

2. Focus is what makes the flywheel spin; follow one course until success.

3. True impact comes from disrupting for good, not chasing quick exits.

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Show Notes

**Click the time stamp to jump directly to that point in the episode.

Today’s Audio MASTERCLASS: Why Scaling Wellness Takes a Tech Mindset

[1:11] — Joel shares something he believes about becoming successful that most people disagree with.

  • Success depends on the people you surround yourself with.
  • A company is defined by its hiring decisions; every single one.
  • He believes CEOs should interview every person joining the team.

[1:56] — Joel talks about cross-industry lessons & disrupting the status quo.

  • He is a lifelong disrupter with a career marked by four major industry shakeups.
  • True disruption equals to changing the world, not just improving margins.
  • Time is finite; what matters is the mark you leave beyond capital gain.

[4:21] — Joel talks about the case for cardiovascular health and why it’s non-negotiable.

  • The body has 60,000 miles of blood vessels.
  • These vessels deliver oxygen to all 37 trillion cells; without blood flow, cells die within minutes.
  • Most people obsess over trendy supplements rather than foundational cardiovascular health.
  • Humann first educated physicians before consumers. Thousands have been trained over 15 years.
  • Cardiovascular health is the “superhighway of human performance.”

[6:55] — Joel talks about health for everyone.

  • The misconception: “cardiovascular = heart = old people.”
  • Reality: healthy blood flow improves everything at 8 years old or 88.
  • Humann’s mission is to change the trajectory of cardiovascular health using proven tech.

[8:48] – A timeout to thank our sponsors.

  • Framer: The website builder that helps you build better websites, faster! Get started building for free today at Framer.com/fire! Plus, get 30% off a Framer Pro annual plan! Rules and Restrictions May Apply.
  • Thrivetime Show: This is your year to transform your business! Start your transformation by attending the world’s highest rated business growth workshop at ThrivetimeShow.com/EOFire!
  • HighLevel: The ultimate all-in-one platform for entrepreneurs, marketers, coaches, and agencies! Learn more at HighLevelFire.com!

[12:30]— Joel talks about staying grounded amid trends.

  • He has led companies of all sizes and focus is the ultimate differentiator.
  • “Focus is what makes the flywheel fly.”
  • Don’t chase “mice” (fads) when elephants (long-term strategy) are running down the street.
  • Their 15-year-old strategy deck still guides the company today.
  • Lack of focus is one of the biggest drivers of business failure.

[14:48] — Joel talks about building a category-defining brand.

  • You must start with a disruptive mindset.
  • Commit to doing it right, not quick.
  • Entrepreneurs today rush to exit instead of rushing to excellence.
  • Humann spent a year talking to physicians before selling anything.
  • 13 clinical trials underpin the brand; evidence before hype.
  • Discipline + hard yards equals to long-term separation from competitors.

[17:25] — Joel talks about proving real-world impact.

  • Humann has delivered 750 million doses to the market.
  • Consumer reviews, Amazon testimonials, and physician feedback confirm meaningful results.
  • Over 100,000 copycat products attempt to imitate them which is a proof of category leadership.
  • Copycats mean you’re onto something, but you can never relax.

[19:00] — Joel gives his closing value bomb and how to create lasting impact.

  • If you’re not trying to change the world, you’re playing the wrong game.
  • Think beyond capital gain; think deeper purpose.
  • Changing the world is hard; it’s an “adults-only exercise.”
  • Dig deep. Find the thing that truly matters.
  • If your vision can change the world, you’re in the right lane.

[20:29] — Call to action.

  • Joel Kocher LinkedIn – Connect with Joel on LinkedIn. He’s operating from purpose, not capital gain and his aim is impact.
  • Humann – Check out Joel’s website to learn more about Cardiovascular Health products.

[22:48] – Thank you to our Sponsors!

  • Thrivetime Show: This is your year to transform your business! Start your transformation by attending the world’s highest rated business growth workshop at ThrivetimeShow.com/EOFire!
  • HighLevel: The ultimate all-in-one platform for entrepreneurs, marketers, coaches, and agencies! Learn more at HighLevelFire.com!

Killer Resources!

1) The Common Path to Uncommon Success: JLD’s 1st traditionally published book! Over 3000 interviews with the world’s most successful Entrepreneurs compiled into a 17-step roadmap to financial freedom and fulfillment!

2) Free Podcast Course: Learn from JLD how to create and launch your podcast!

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