Sibyl Chavis is the creator and writer of “Possibility of Today”. She is a former attorney and HR executive turned writer, possibility seeker, and lifelong learner. Sibyl created Possibility of Today because she wants to help others who desire to break free from their “negative committee”, take action on things they’ve always wanted to do, find more clarity, and ultimately, live life in a different way.
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John Lee Dumas: Okay. Let’s get started. I am simply thrilled to introduce my guest today, Sibyl Chavis. Sibyl, are you prepared to ignite?
Sibyl Chavis: I’m prepared, John. I’m prepared.
John Lee Dumas: [Laughs]
Sibyl Chavis: [Laughs]
John Lee Dumas: Sibyl is the creator and writer of “The Possibility of Today.” She is a former attorney and HR executive turned writer, possibility seeker and lifelong learner. Sibyl created Possibility of Today because she wanted to help others who desire to break free of their negative committee, take actions on things they’ve always wanted to do, find more clarity, and ultimately live life in a different way.
So Sibyl, I’ve given a little overview. Why don’t you take us through a little more about who you are and what you do?
Sibyl Chavis: Yes. I mean, I think you hit on all the high points. Yes. Not so long ago, I was an attorney and I worked in corporate America for a little over a decade. I had a really good experience in corporate America. I wasn’t one of those people that hated my job and just didn’t know how I was going to get through the next day, but I did realize that – there came a time when I had kind of learned I think all the lessons that I needed to learn and it was time to move on.
That kind of allowed me to lean in the direction of moving on to something I felt like a little more passionate about. That’s kind of how I found my way to Possibility of Today. So I had been blogging probably for a couple of years at night and early in the morning hours before going to work while I was still working as in-house counsel at the advertising agency I was at. But when I decided to go and launch fulltime into doing this, obviously I had to kind of really make it as professional as possible and get really serious about it.
I worked with Corbett Barr from Think Traffic and basically broke down the blog that was a hobby and turned it into what I like to call a community now, which is The Possibility of Today, and kind of had this thing going forward from thereon out, taking things one day at a time and just trying to do everything that I can that would really be helpful for the community at Possibility of Today.
John Lee Dumas: That’s great. Now, we actually had Corbett Barr on the show recently.
Sibyl Chavis: Oh yes?
John Lee Dumas: He was a great, great interviewee. He gave us a lot of actionable advice.
Sibyl Chavis: Yes. He’s a great guy.
John Lee Dumas: Yes. He is a great guy. We went a little bit through his course, How to Start a Blog That Matters. Was that specifically what you went through?
Sibyl Chavis: I kind of caught Corbett prior to him developing that course, I believe. I went through something called Traffic School.
John Lee Dumas: Right.
Sibyl Chavis: Corbett and I, I actually had the opportunity to work with Corbett one-on-one. I did complete the course, but I never did the course, How to Start a Blog That Matters. But I hear it’s really good.
John Lee Dumas: Yes. It’s great. We actually had his partner, Caleb Wojcik, on the show as well.
Sibyl Chavis: Oh sure. Yes.
John Lee Dumas: Who was phenomenal and they’re both very instrumental in that. It was a great program. I personally went through it. I really enjoyed it. So anybody listening out there, go check it out at ThinkTraffic.net.
So we’re going to transition to really our first topic today. That’s the success quote. Here at EntrepreneurOnFire, we really like to start every show off with a success quote because it’s kind of our way to get the motivational ball rolling and get people really pumped and excited for what’s about to come.
I’ve checked Sibyl’s background out, and we have a lot of fun stuff coming. Why don’t you start us off with your favorite success quote?
Sibyl Chavis: Yes. So interestingly enough, I just posted it today on my Facebook page. Unfortunately, I can’t attribute it to anyone because it’s one of those unknown ones, but sometimes those are like the beauties, the pearls of wisdom. It’s “never let your successes go to your head, or your failures go to your heart.”
John Lee Dumas: And that is attributed to unknown.
Sibyl Chavis: Unknown. It’s not mine. I don’t know whose it is, but I do love it [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: Great! It is a very powerful quote. How would you say you actually apply this quote to your everyday life?
Sibyl Chavis: [Laughs] Oh goodness, all the time. I think it’s something that I started really understanding the importance of when I launched the community, Possibility of Today. Honestly, I had so many blind spots. I was an attorney. I had worked in corporate America. I have never been self-employed. I had never started a community. I had never written a book. Honestly, I had never really written like an article.
I had done legal memos and briefs, but it was completely different, what I was trying to do. So obviously, there was a lot of failure [Laughs] in the beginning. I mean so much so that I really don’t even look at it as failure anymore. I’ve come to realize that there’s this thing that I call the “success spiral.”
Everyone thinks that the trajectory of success is kind of just like either a vertical or like let’s say a diagonal line, straight up, but the reality of this is that there are going to be twists and curves and ups and downs, and it’s more in line with a spiral, which is why I call it the success spiral. The idea or the object of the game is okay, if I’m here at Point A and I want to get to Point B, I understand that I have to travel up the success spiral. That means that I am going to encounter failures, which are really challenges, which I now have translated to be lessons that help you push up the success spiral.
So this was really something I think that I had to really understand because it can be really disheartening to have too many challenges and to have too many “failures.” A lot of times you can allow those failures to do just what this quote says and go to your heart, and then you end up panicking or you end up quitting, or you end up thinking, oh, this is the sign. I’m not really supposed to be doing this.”
In essence, if there’s something that you really feel that you believe in, and it’s something just kind of resonates with every part of who you are and you just feel like you were meant to do it, then I’ve realized that you’ve got to go up the success spiral. That means letting yourself work through the failure. Then also, a good footnote is to not let the success go to your head, right? Because you never want to think that you have all the answers or that you’re just smarter than your own good because it’s all kind of just like a balancing act.
That’s why I like the quote. You don’t want to kind of let your ego get built up too much by letting those successes go to your head, but you also don’t want to ever let the lessons and challenges pull you down.
John Lee Dumas: It’s a great message of a quote, and the visualization of the success spiral, I really love that visual that you gave us. So thank you for doing that. That is very powerful and I’ve written that down for future topics.
Sibyl Chavis: Good deal.
John Lee Dumas: So great, great stuff.
Sibyl Chavis: Good deal.
John Lee Dumas: Let’s transition to our next topic, and that is failure. I do always encounter entrepreneurs who speak about their failures very openly. Some label it differently as mistakes or, as you are, a success spiral, which is great. I love seeing all the different angles of viewing failure, but the reality of the situation is if you’re an entrepreneur, you’re going to encounter a failure of some sort throughout your journey, and often, multiple times. What defines you as an entrepreneur is how you react to that failure.
We’d like to now analyze a failure or a different success spiral that you’ve encountered throughout your journey. Really bring us through the events that led up to this failure.
Sibyl Chavis: Goodness! I mean, which one do I choose? [Laughs]
John Lee Dumas: [Laughs]
Sibyl Chavis: I mean, there have been a lot. In the beginning, I despised every single one of them, but I have learned to kind of look at them from a different perspective. Let’s see. Which one stands out the most? Honestly, I’ll start with my blog kind of pre-Corbett. Before I found my way to Corbett and Think Traffic, I had this blog called the AlternateView.com. It was all about looking at life from a different perspective.
I learned so much so it’s kind of hard to call it a failure, but if you’re just looking at it on paper, it was. My traffic was really, really low and I was just not connecting with my audience at all and with my community. I really hadn’t found my voice, which I think I continue to find even to this day. I had put in a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of effort, and I had even invested money. I had done what a lot of people who I’d seen succeeding really well do in terms of just going and picking a WordPress theme for free. Then the next thing you know, they had 50,000 comments and 200,000 visitors every month.
That was just not my experience. I felt like I had invested so much time and so much energy, and even money into this blog and it just boggled my mind. I didn’t understand why it was just not taking up. It had no traction. Honestly, I mean we’re not talking a short period of time. I mean [Unintelligible] I wasn’t doing this fulltime, but I was doing it after work and definitely putting in some significant hours into it. I had done it for I want to say at least a good year. I kind of was in my own vacuum and it was just not working.
John Lee Dumas: So Sibyl, what were some key actions that you took to pull yourself out of this funk that you kind of found yourself in?
Sibyl Chavis: Yes. It was interesting because I understood that I was doing something that I had no clue what I was doing. Obviously, any time you’re going to invest time, effort and money into something, you want to see it succeed. But I knew that there were things to learn, so I can’t say that I was necessarily kind of feeling like, “Oh, this is awful!” as much as I was like, “Okay, what am I missing?”
That was kind of how I decided to look at the situation, and it was easier to kind of work myself out of that “funker,” or whatever it was that you described or the word you used. It was easier to work myself out of that because I felt like I was searching for the solution. So it was never like, “Oh, here we go again,” or “Oh, this didn’t work or that didn’t work.” I was just like, “Oh, that wasn’t the solution. Let me look somewhere else. Oh, that wasn’t the solution. I’ll look somewhere else.”
There’s like this great quote by Thomas Edison I forgot. It probably was like on the top of my mind every day. “I haven’t failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that didn’t work.” [Laughs]
John Lee Dumas: Yes.
Sibyl Chavis: That was the essence of my experience with my first blog [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: As part of this journey where you did go through this period where you weren’t getting the kind of traffic and the feedback that you wanted, but you kept trying. You reached out to people like Corbett Barr of Think Traffic and others and kept trying new systems and strategies.
At some point, you obviously hit upon something that worked because of your success today. So you had a light bulb moment of some kind. What I like to term as an “aha moment.” As entrepreneurs, we all have little aha moments along the way, and those always help keep us going and propel us to the next level. Can you actually identify an aha moment that you had that was very powerful to you?
Sibyl Chavis: Sure. I mean, I think one of the first ones came when I was able to really work closely with Corbett because sometimes it takes a conversation with somebody who’s just going to be very honest and candid, and you can figure out, “Okay, wait. I thought that that was working,” and they’re like, “No. That’s just totally not” the way I was seeing that.
So he told me the name of my blog, AlternateView.com, he’s like, “I just don’t get it.” I was like, “But it’s all cool, Corbett. It’s like you’re looking at life from a different perspective. Like alternative, alternate view.” He’s like, “No. I don’t get it.” [Laughs]
That was an aha moment because I realized that something could make perfect to me in my head, but unless I had really started thinking about, “Okay, how is this going to be received? How is this going to be understood? Is this connecting with people in the way that I want? Is this fulfilling the intention that I have behind the content that I’m pulling out?” then it would be amiss.
So the aha moment was I turned my kind of perspective from this is what I feel is the solution to this is what my community wants. This is what makes sense to people. This is what’s going to connect to people. Then clearly to make certain that it’s still consistent with my intention and my priority and what I’m trying to do with my brand, but to be very cognizant of the fact that you want to connect with people and you want to be understood. Right?
You don’t want to be the apartment building that has a 95% vacancy rate because you’re located off of the main street around a corner behind a bridge and a huge apartment building where no one can see you [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: So what were some specific connections you were making with your audience that was allowing you to take these strides forward?
Sibyl Chavis: I think it was just I found the framework that really allowed me to say what I was trying to say. That wasn’t easy, right? Because it took a lot of thought in terms of I had the Alternate View and I had to brainstorm for some time, and I brainstormed with Corbett to arrive at The Possibility of Today. But once I found that, that was like one of the first keys to everything because it unlocked my voice, it opened up my brand, it unlocked my connection, it allowed me to connect with people because they understood what I was finally trying to communicate. Then just kind of really taking the time and the energy to get the framework and the foundation right just allowed me to kind of build on that from that day forward.
John Lee Dumas: While perusing your website, one thing I came across that I really enjoyed was a post you had made about going 40 days without complaining one time. Can you delve into that for our listeners and explain that process and what you got out of that?
Sibyl Chavis: Yes, yes. I actually did that while I was in corporate America, so that’s even more of a feat [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: Absolutely.
Sibyl Chavis: It’s easier when you’re working on your own and you’re just choosing who you want to come into contact with throughout the day. But yes. I mean I was definitely one of those people that kind of got sucked into the ups and downs of the day, and I was very reactive to all the things that were happening around me, the people, what people were saying. Like they say don’t take things personally, that people say I was taking things personally. Like I was doing everything the reverse way of the way it should be done.
There just came a time I think when I realized the heaviness that was associated and the impact of all of that. At first, you’re like, “Oh yes, whatever. I’ll stop complaining, and then I’m going to start feeling good,” blah, blah, blah, but I hadn’t realized that there were going to be so many impacts just on my work, my productivity. Even the ideas and my creativity, like everything just kind of opened when I removed a lot of that negativity from my mind.
I would complain about anything. At the time, I lived in Michigan. So it was the weather, the lack of sun, the coldness, the rain. That was just of course on the way to work. Then I would get in the elevator and talk about, “Oh my God! Did you see how cold it was?” I go up this floor. Then of course, all of the stuff that would happen, I’d get inundated over work. “Oh, I can’t believe I have all these work to do. Oh, I have 500 emails.” I mean literally, just from one thing, “I can’t believe she said that. I can’t believe he did that in that meeting. Oh my goodness!” I would literally go from one thing to the next.
When I first started the challenge, I took the first day and just kind of became aware of the thoughts that were running through my mind, and it was remarkable [Laughs] in a bad way. Once I kind of really – I mean, and it took some conditioning, right? It’s not like I went from complaining all the time to complaining zero in two days, but really trying to make a concerted effort to be thoughtful about the thoughts that were running through my mind.
It freed up my bandwidth, if you will. I was able to start focusing on the things that I wanted and the things that I was working on. Like new possibilities started popping into my mind because I just wasn’t kind of weighed down from all of the junk I was normally focused on.
John Lee Dumas: I think anybody that’s worked in corporate America can relate to what you’re speaking of. I definitely have. I can definitely relate to the water cooler talk.
Sibyl Chavis: Oh yes. Right.
John Lee Dumas: All of the above. Absolutely. So I definitely commend you for doing that and for sharing that with the listeners because it’s a challenge that we all can take, and I think you’re right. It really makes you identify the thoughts that are running through your head when you’re not verbalizing them because you’re taking a stand in your mind not to verbalize them, so you’re actually identifying them even more so.
Sibyl Chavis: Well, thank you. Yes. Yes, it was life changing. Absolutely life changing. I think it changed – it’s silly because everyone’s like, “Really? Just like stopping complaining changed the trajectory of your life?” I’m like, “Yes. It really did” because everything is a possibility and it’s a matter of what are you going to choose to go after or how are you going to choose to move through your day. How are you going to choose to feel? If you start choosing different, more positive possibilities, you just start living differently.
John Lee Dumas: Sibyl, have you had an I’ve made it moment?
Sibyl Chavis: I don’t know if I’m ever going to have an I’ve made it moment. Like in the beginning, I definitely felt like, “Oh my God! I have to do this, I have to do this, I have to do that. I won’t have success until I’ve done this, this and that.” I don’t have that anymore, but I think a lot of starting this business has allowed to learn to kind of be happy right where I am today. Hence, The Possibility of Today.
A lot of times like when you’re building a business, you’re like, “You know, I had left my job, I had given up my income.” Like if I had kind of obsessed about, “Oh my God, is this going to work out?” or “I want this and I want that,” and freaked out when things weren’t happening, and there were some of that. There were some fears that I had to work through.
The way that I was able to work through them was just kind of settling into, “Okay. You know what? It’s Monday, and I have this interview with John. I’m going to do the best that I can and I’m going to really try to share everything that worked for me.” Just kind of really focus on what was on my plate for the day and trying to do it as thoughtfully and intentionally as I could.
That kind of settled me into that habit of always just really focusing on doing things as thoughtfully and as intentionally and to the best of my ability. I think when that is kind of what’s at the top or at the forefront of my mind, it’s never like an oh, I’ve made it moment because I know that there’s always more possibilities. It’s just a matter of being very content and not letting that wanting or that desire overshadow the opportunity to live this moment great right now, but also being very well aware of kind of the direction I want to lean in and taking steps forward to go there.
John Lee Dumas: Well, on behalf of EntrepreneurOnFire, thank you for having such a mentality to this interview today. It’s really bringing a lot of positive vibes. We definitely appreciate it.
Sibyl Chavis: Well, thank you so much for having me, John. I appreciate it.
John Lee Dumas: So we’re going to move on to your current business right now. You’re rolling along, you’re living in the moment with The Possibility of Today. What is one thing that’s really exciting you about your business today?
Sibyl Chavis: Honestly, the community. I mean, it’s just a thing that’s beyond anything I ever thought was possible. Once I was able to kind of create this community and start engaging with the community and really trying to be considerate of the information I was putting out there and helpful, and using the community even for myself to feel motivated and inspired and engaged, it’s just given so much back to me. I think more than I give to it. That’s been the biggest payoff.
John Lee Dumas: So the word “entrepreneur” to a lot of people brings with it an aura of mystery. We really want to know what an entrepreneur does throughout the course of a day. Can you just take us through not a typical day, but just a couple of tasks that you perform on a daily basis?
Sibyl Chavis: Yes. I mean I obviously spend a lot of time – I would say 65% to 70% of my time – engaging with the community. Whether that’s on my Facebook page, through the comments, through posting content there or to replying to emails or replying to comments on my blog, that’s where I spend the most significant amount of my time. Then with the remainder of my time, I’m creating content. I mean the business I’m doing is creating content. So I’m actually in the midst of writing a book right now, which I feel like I’ve been writing forever [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: [Laughs]
Sibyl Chavis: So I’m definitely spending a lot of time – probably more so than I normally do when I’m not writing a book or creating content – but I’m in that writing zone right now.
John Lee Dumas: So Sibyl, what is your vision for the future of The Possibility of Today?
Sibyl Chavis: I’m flexible and open to that. There are definitely things I want for it. I want it to always be a community that’s supportive and really helping people see possibilities that perhaps they weren’t looking for and be open to kind of looking at things differently. Then also giving them the tools and the support they need to actually kind of gear up and take those steps towards the possibilities that they want because it’s easy to kind of get caught in your routine and be scared to change. I definitely want that. I always want it to be something that’s very useful and valuable for people.
Then I think I’m really trying to create good products. And so I’m on my second book, and I’m in the midst of creating a course. So just I think things that are going to help people really take advantage of The Possibility of Today is what I hope to continue to always do and create.
John Lee Dumas: Awesome! Great vision. So we’ve now reached my favorite part of the show. We’re about to enter the Lightning Round. This is where I provide you with a series of questions and you provide us with a series of amazing and mind-blowing answers.
Sibyl Chavis: [Laughs] Okay. I’ll be ready.
John Lee Dumas: Does that sound like a plan, Sibyl?
Sibyl Chavis: Seatbelt’s on. Yes.
John Lee Dumas: [Laughs]
Sibyl Chavis: Let’s do it [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: What was the number one thing that was holding you back from becoming an entrepreneur?
Sibyl Chavis: Fear. Definitely. 100% fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of knowing if I could actually create something, and then it would take off. Fear of giving up my secure corporate income. Every direction you looked, it was fear.
John Lee Dumas: What is the best business advice you ever received?
Sibyl Chavis: I think the best business advice I ever received is to focus on the value that you are offering other people, even more so than you’re focusing on your – initially your P&L and all that stuff. Like that stuff will all come, right?
Like you’re obviously an entrepreneur. You’re smart enough, you’ve come up with a good enough idea to create a business. But don’t get caught up in doing things that are good business that are not necessarily good for your community or good for the people that you are trying to attract. So the number one rule is always value your community over anything and everything else.
John Lee Dumas: What is something that’s working for you and your business right now?
Sibyl Chavis: I know I keep harping on it, but I think it’s what I focus on is the community. It’s really doing everything. I mean it’s supporting the brand it has created. It helps evolve the brand and it’s just working. People sharing, the community sharing the content, it helps the community grow even more. The community supporting each other, people responding and supporting each other, and everyone kind of just signing up to be a Possibiliterian, like that’s what’s working.
John Lee Dumas: That’s great to know. I mean in these interviews with entrepreneurs, we always do seem to latch on a theme of some sort. The theme of this interview, which has been great, has been community, and it is so important.
Sibyl Chavis: Yes.
John Lee Dumas: Here at EntrepreneurOnFire, I’m also building a community because I believe so strongly on it. We have a very elite mastermind community which is called Ignite. So I’m also a big believer in what you’re building over there. I’m as well building it at EntrepreneurOnFire, so I believe in what you’re doing and I definitely commend you for that.
Sibyl Chavis: Well, cool. Thank you for that.
John Lee Dumas: What’s the best business book that you’ve read in the last six months?
Sibyl Chavis: Oh yes. What is the best? Oh, you know what book I love? It’s by this CEO of Zappos, and it’s like the success story of Zappos. He actually goes a lot into the strategy, if you will, of putting your passion for what you’re doing and the customer service that you’re providing over everything in terms of profits and all of those stuff. He’s very passionate about his employee workforce and passionate about their core values and really making certain that he’s investing in them, and then kind of letting things grow from there. I think it’s just like the Zappos story. It’s a great book.
John Lee Dumas: Yes. I believe it’s called “Delivering Happiness”?
Sibyl Chavis: That’s it. Yes. Delivering Happiness.
John Lee Dumas: His name is Tony – and I might be butchering the pronunciation but it’s H-S-I-E-H.
Sibyl Chavis: That’s it. Yes. I didn’t even try for it. So I’m glad that you put yourself out there to go for that one [Laughs].
John Lee Dumas: [Laughs]
Sibyl Chavis: That is the book, and it’s a really good book.
John Lee Dumas: Awesome! So this last question, Sybil, is by far my favorite, and it’s kind of a tricky one. So take your time. You can digest it, and then just launch in with a very passionate answer.
If you woke up tomorrow morning and you still had all of your experience and knowledge that you currently have right now, but your business had completely disappeared, forcing you to start somewhere completely from scratch with a clean slate, as many of our entrepreneurs find themselves right now, what would you do in the next seven days?
Sibyl Chavis: Oh my goodness! I love that question! In the next seven days? Okay. So I have all my learnings. Honestly, I would start with the community again. Well, the first thing obviously I’d start with is clearly solidifying and making certain that this was the brand, the name, and all of that stuff. Then I would go to really kind of saying, “Hey, this is the mission. This is the vision of the community. This is what we stand for. This is what we’re all about,” and really defining all of that stuff.
Then I would start sharing stuff and starting to try to create that community again. For seven days, that would literally be like 24 hours a day, seven days a week, I would just be focused on sharing content, like good content I found. I guess I don’t have any now, so now I have to go create new content and maybe find good quotes. Maybe find good articles to share that I know that these people would be interested in.
Then I would speak to my community – like I had a community. I guess I’ve lost my community in the hypothetical. In the beginning, a lot of times, you’re speaking to people that aren’t there. But every time I would create an article, I was like, “You know what? I don’t care if two people are going to see this. I want this to be valuable. I want this to be really good.” That’s what I would start doing again.
John Lee Dumas: Wonderful. Well, listen. I love how we started with community and we’re ending with community. It’s the full circle. It’s a great theme. Let’s just finish on that note. Sybil, thank you so much for joining us today.
Sibyl Chavis: Thank you, John.
John Lee Dumas: Give Fire Nation one last piece of advice, and then give yourself a plug.
Sibyl Chavis: [Laughs] Okay. I’d say my biggest piece of advice – and I think that it will define your business – and that’s really just taking advantage of the 24 hours you have every day, not worrying about the future, not belaboring things that have happened in the past. Just really trying to focus on really experiencing and doing everything you can every moment as you move through the day. If you do that, everything kind of falls into place, even above and beyond your business.
Then my plug is just come by Facebook. If you’re interested, if it sounds cool, if you think something may resonate with you, I’d love to see you at The Possibility of Today Facebook page or at PossibilityOfToday.com.
John Lee Dumas: Great, Sibyl. Thank you again, and we’ll catch you on the flipside.
Sibyl Chavis: Alright. Thanks, John.